This is the second half of a chat I had with Peter Hook, he of Joy Division and New Order, easily one of the most pleasant and affable people I've ever interviewed.
Alan Cross: What do you think would have happened had Ian not died?
Peter Hook: I think that musically, we would have progressed exactly the same and I think we would have gone to America and been a huge success. And I think Ian would have ended up singing "Blue Monday." It would not have changed. And once we got the success we graved and some of the stress would have receded, I think we would have been bigger than U2 [Laughs].
AC: You guess did a spectacular thing. You were in two legendary bands. How many people can say that?
PH: Changed the world of music twice! And opened the most revolutionary club in the world. Was on the most interesting independent label. I must say we've done well. We were certainly in the right place at the right time.
AC: You're on the book tour now. What's next?
PH: I'm going to Europe to tour with Joy Division [Hooky's performances of the JD oeuvre] and then I've got loads of things to sort out. I want to get rid of all my memorabilia at home because I've got TONS of it. And it's funny because when New Order reformed without me, it sort of pricked a bubble for me--burst a balloon. And I just thought, "Oh, God." I've learned more about music--the music business--in this last year than in the other 34. And it's not been a nice learning curve. I've enjoyed this last year the least of any year I've been in the music business. And it's turned me off and I thought it's time to let it go. I used to be quite happy, leafing through my collection of memorabilia. I just thought that it's time for it to go. A fresh start, maybe.
I'm very happy playing the New Order stuff. We're hoping to come to America to play Power, Corruption and Lies and Movement in September. So I'm enjoying myself.
AC: I'm glad the book is finally out in North America. It's too bad you're not coming to Canada on your book signing tour.
PH: Canada falls under the British book deal. You don't get treated separately like America. It's a shame, really.
AC: I'm assuming that this feud you've got going with the other three people isn't going to end anytime soon.
PH: No. I'm still seeking a legal remedy. The others are refusing to negotiate, so it doesn't leave me in a very good position. I can either or like or lump it--or fight. And I've always been a fighter.
AC: And this is all over the ownership [of the music] and the name "New Order."
PH: I don't think that it's too much to ask that something so dear to your heart for 30-odd years that you were consulted in its reuse. It's not as if I'm not trying to stop them. I'm quite happy to let the music play. What I'm complaining about is the fact that I wasn't consulted and that the financial arrangements were done by them. Very much to my detriment. So now I'm very unhappy about that. And now I'm fighting.